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I was imagining both ins on the stereo pedal have a corresponding patchbay connection. Then at the patchbay, if you have a mono out that you need to route to a stereo you could use a splitter cable instead of your normal patch cable.

A potential problem is what my guitarist friends call “tone suck”. And worse case scenario you might end up with ground loop. But I would definitely try it first, because it might be fine, depending on your setup. If you have enough free io’s on the patchbay, you could even hook up the split there in the back.

If this is in response to my SplitMix4 post, well, I can’t think of another practical way to connect, say, my H9 Left and Right output to a SplitMix4 stereo input other than an insert Y-cable.

I prefer to set up my sound in mono when playing with the band, because that’s less stuff I have to transport (don’t need 2nd amp, don’t need the Mackie) and my job is to complement the singer/guitarist, not invade the stereo field.

When I do want to experiment with stereo FX, I use my trusty Mackie mixer, albeit using one input channel per pedal output, thus using 4 total channels = 2 from H9 + 2 from Zoia.

“Tone suck”… I’m also a guitarist. Are you and your friends using this definition or do y’all have a different understanding?

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Demystifying Buffer Pedals and Avoiding the Dreaded Tone Suck

Here's a quick look at what buffers can do for your signal chain and how to determine whether adding a buffer is the right choice for your rig.

I have a Polytune 3 at the very front of my guitar/e-violin signal chain but I haven’t felt a need to use its Bonafide Buffer feature.

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TRS Patch Bay for Effects Pedals?


This may have been asked before but I couldn't find anything terribly definitive...

I only use pedals (of which I have quite a few) in the studio. I don't have them on a board, I just pull what I want, when I want, create a chain, for the sounds I'm thinking of, and then use them.

I was looking at looper boxes and stuff like to try and find a better solution but...

I suppose my question is: couldn't I just have them all hanging out the back of a regular TRS patch bay? Using TS cables? And then patch what I want, when I want it, also using TS cables? I don't see that there's going to be any unbalanced vs balanced issues, it'll all be unbalanced... right?

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Hey @ blakestree , I've seen those, for sure... but my thought was that I'd need multiples so why not just get a 48 slot regular TRS, right? I'd noticed that the patch cables on those are 1/8" TRS... what are the 1/4" sockets?

You could probably get away with an unbalanced patchbay instead of the TRS. Saves a few bucks.

That's cool. I don't play guitar but I do record and play keys and drums. If I ever decide to to the stomp box rout for effects, I will get one. Nice find.

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Most patch bays will work with TS or TRS. Honestly I cant think of any guitar pedals that even use balanced ins and outs. Most are high impedance TS connectors. Even the ones that have stereo outs are only TS.

The only problem you'll have is if the pedals are in back of a patch bay is getting to the knobs to tweak things. You'll also need to invest in a whole lot more cabling.
I used several patch bays over the years. All the newer ones use the exact same plastic connectors. I in fact had a Tascam patch bay that had connectors going bad and I researched the prices of the connectors and it was simply cheaper to buy a whole new bay then it was to repair the old one. I have a Behringer 48 now and it works fine for me. The quality is the same as all others I've owned. The Pro patch bays used metal plugs that dated back to the old telephone exchanges. (recording engineers simply kidnapped that technology)

I paid 25 for a Behringer patch bay when I bought it new. They likely went up in cost since them. They have a higher end version too with dip switches that change how the plug connections work. patch bays have different switches built into plugs so you can make connections do U turns, Run Front to back, Cut into a connection and substitute gear etc. Make sure you read the manual on connecting things because the plugs you choose matter when making connections. Buy decent patch cords too. Those plastic modeled patch cables don't last. You plug and unplug them a few times and they wire contacts go bad. If you used all 48 connections that means you'd need at least 48 cables to connect them all in the back. If you figure the cable lengths between 1~3' that might cost up to $4 a cable at a place like Monoprice. Multiply that 48 times plus the unit you're looking at $200~225 just to connect the pedals to the patch bay then you still need cables to connect them to your gear from the front.

You may want to mount the pedals to a board and mount the patch bay too. you can have the pedals in front of the patch bay but connected to the back. You can buy 6' 8 channel snakes that have 1/4" on both ends. Hosea makes some that are like $20 each. I found they were built quite well and use them to connect multichannel rack preamps to patch bays. They work out very well and its cheaper and easier to use. They're color coded which is very helpful with cable organization. Believe me when you have an issue and you're reaching behind a patch bay with 48 cables you need to have everything clearly marked and coded or you can waste hours tracking down problems. More then once I'd simply pulled all the cords and started over.

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Yeah, I have two existing patch bays... I know of what you speak @ wrgkmc !

My thought was to have the pedals on drawers above the patch bay, run super short lines down to the back of the patch. Right now I use a lot of George L's patch cables for general board stuff.

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I put my pedals on my patchbay, but not individually because I generally don't care about reordering them.

I have my Pigtronix Keymaster on the patch bay, and all my pedals on that.

Works great like that, super convenient to plug my guitar/etc in.

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The ground and ring connection of the patch bay will short when plugging a TS connector, making the ring on the jack part of the ground, which will be fine in your application.

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The ground and ring connection of the patch bay will short when plugging a TS connector, making the ring on the jack part of the ground, which will be fine in your application.

Some (many) pedals use that wiring fact to switch the power on. Shorting ring and sleeve on the input jacks turns on the pedal.

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I am connecting each of my pedals to a TRS patchbay and have concerns about the length of cable into each pedal.

I am using a high quality 3m snake/loom which means each pedal has 3m of cable into it's input and then 3m of cable through the output to/from the patch bay. I'm then able to use the patchbay to re-order fx and apply to different mixer channels. I haven't properly tested it yet... but with one pedal unit this morning (Digitech Grunge) I think I noticed extra amounts of hum coming from the pedal.

Am I crazy doing this or is it manageable from a tone quality perspective? Was wondering if a guitar fx switcher pedal in the loop might reduce the length of the cable runs.

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Was just about to throw my pedals on a sliding shelf in my rack below my patchbays and came across this post.

I’m going to use a George lynch cable kit to make my ins and outs to the bay from each pedal and then make my chain from patch points on front panel. Then patch the last pedal in the chain into a DI with ground lift going into my recording chain. Can’t see why that wouldn’t work!

Another solution could be the Voodoolab GCX audio switcher - rack up the effects in drawers, and then you can turn on what's needed. 8 loops per unit. Could have a rack drawer (or 2) per effect type.

Similar is the RJM Music Effect Gizmo - up to 12 pedals at a time.
http://www.rjmmusic.com/effect-gizmo/

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THE GIST

A patchbay allows multiple pieces of audio equipment to be easily connected in different combinations. The inputs and outputs of a studio’s microphone inputs, preamps, mixing console, outboard gear, and audio interfaces can all be connected to the back of a patchbay patched in any order with small patch cables on the front panel.

The History of Patchbays

Patchbays originated in telephone switching stations, where operators would manually connect analog telephone lines via patch cables on a large panel of jacks. In fact, the mini-TRS connector used on many patch cables is still called a Tiny Telephone connector. As recording studios started incorporating more and more equipment, patchbays were adopted as a way to facilitate easy connections.

Behringer Ultrapatch Pro PX2000 48-Point TS Patchbay

Types of Patchbays

Patchbays come with varying amounts and types of connections and are suited to different tasks. Rear connections can be anything from common XLR and TRS jacks to bare-wire solder points or multichannel D-sub connectors. Front-panel jacks are usually ¼-inch TRS or Tiny Telephone sizes, but other types exist as well. There is even a digital patchbay which makes all its connections internally, controlled by software.

ART P16 XLR Patchbay

Normalization of Connections

A key feature of patchbays is their ability to permanently connect equipment so that a patch is only required when a different routing is needed (ex: a microphone line normalled to a console channel that can be routed to an external preamp instead). This is done through internal connections, of which there are several types:

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8 Channel Mini Patchbay

  • Fully Normalled means that an output jack is automatically routed to the corresponding input below. The connection is broken if a cable is inserted into either jack.

  • Half Normalled connections link patch points together just as when normalled, except the connection stays intact when a cable is inserted into the output. This allows a signal to be split and sent to two destinations.

  • Mults (signal multipliers) are groups of connected jacks that allow a signal to be split and sent to multiple locations simultaneously. The analog signal strength is reduced with each split, however, requiring more amplification later.

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